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| vjhorn | Great Talk with Ken Wilber on the Maps of Meditation (page: 1 2) | 35 | Nov 1 2008, 7:32 AM EDT by betawave | |||
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Thread started: Oct 20 2008, 9:50 AM EDT
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Hey all,
I just figured the folks here at the Dharma Overground would be interested in the newest episode over at Buddhist Geeks. We spoke with Ken Wilber about the maps of meditation in the Buddhist tradition and the dark night periods. It was a phenomenal discussion, and I was reminded of how brilliant and eloquent his understanding of the contemplative maps are. Anyway, it's up now over at Buddhist Geeks, and here's the permalink: http://personallifemedia.com/podcasts/236-buddhist-geeks/episodes/19573-meditative-maps-happy-mornings-dark Personally, I'd be interested in seeing what other people thought of his descriptions of the maps, of his distinction of these two meanings of the dark night, and how this is of practical value to one's meditation practice... Feel free to share any of your thoughts here.
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| nathan28 | Confusion with the Stages | 0 | Jun 26 2008, 1:05 PM EDT by nathan28 | |||
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Thread started: Jun 26 2008, 1:05 PM EDT
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It may be the case that I am having trouble with the maps and seeing their value besides as a helpful indicator of progress or the lack thereof, but I have some questions:
1. Those who aren't stream-enterers will essentially start at zero, though their degree of "samadhi" and conditions may speed them through to their current full capability on the progress of insight? So even though specific phenomena might manifest (e.g., goddamn recurring spontaneous physical movements, unusual energetic phenomena or difficult mind-states) as markers of progress, anyone will slip and slide forwards and backwards in a given sitting, and likewise the stages themselves have a seeming "fractal" or cyclical nature? 2. The way one needs to treat the chosen object varies somewhat in each stage? If I understand, this means to avoid artificially solidifying the pleasant broadness of the first vipassana jhana, avoiding turning the kundalini/rapidity of the second v. jhana into a solid state, and broadening the object in the third? It may be obvious that I feel like I am playing snakes and ladders here, but I've got a lot of consternation with these issues.
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| Paticca | Understanding the Maps Part 1 | 3 | Jun 24 2008, 7:44 AM EDT by Paticca | |||
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Thread started: Jun 21 2008, 6:49 AM EDT
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The maps are a good help to go the way but you need a lot of faith to follow it. For me I need an
modern understanding to get the needable faith because I am very sceptical and I want know what will happen with me too. I am a "Buddhist" because I could find there a description of some of my experiences (A&P-Event). Especially in the Theravada-Abhidhamma I could find some good explanations. Unfortunately the Abhidamma is full of antiquated things. Therefore I tried to make an easy new model what the parts of the maps are and what will happen with you if you are enlightenment and what not. Maybe it can help someone. First an comparison for the A&P-Event. Not only men have an A&P-Event. Your Computer has an "A&P-Event" too. If you look on the Screen you see some Windows. These Windows result from software. if you rip these Programs you come to the operating system, then the basic input/output system (BIOS) and then the "A&P-Event" happens. In the computer it is an Stream of 1 and 0 (10000100, 10000100 etc.). If you see this. There are no static windows. It seem that there is an chaotic stream of data (but it is not chaotic, the stream is interdependent). The "ultimate reality" (I don' t liken this calling) of a computer is this stream. The "concepts" are made of software. This software interprets the stream (build the necessary abtstraction layers) and we will get the nice windows. Are the windows real? The windows are an interpretation of the interdependent stream.
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